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See this NYT article: Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
But before we cede the entire moral penthouse to “committed vegetarians” and “strong ethical vegans,” we might consider that plants no more aspire to being stir-fried in a wok than a hog aspires to being peppercorn-studded in my Christmas clay pot. This is not meant as a trite argument or a chuckled aside. Plants are lively and seek to keep it that way. The more that scientists learn about the complexity of plants — their keen sensitivity to the environment, the speed with which they react to changes in the environment, and the extraordinary number of tricks that plants will rally to fight off attackers and solicit help from afar — the more impressed researchers become, and the less easily we can dismiss plants as so much fiberfill backdrop, passive sunlight collectors on which deer, antelope and vegans can conveniently graze.Those claims are supported by a number of examples of the liveliness of plants that are interesting and valuable in their own right even if you are unmoved by the underlying logic of the argument. I've cited many research articles that noted the sophisticated "awareness" of plants though it isn't of the animal sort. For example, plants compete with their siblings in a different way than with strangers, in fact, they cooperate. But they talk funny.
“Plants are not static or silly,” said Monika Hilker of the Institute of Biology at the Free University of Berlin. “They respond to tactile cues, they recognize different wavelengths of light, they listen to chemical signals, they can even talk” through chemical signals. Touch, sight, hearing, speech. “These are sensory modalities and abilities we normally think of as only being in animals,” Dr. Hilker said. . .Bottom line:Just because we humans can’t hear them doesn’t mean plants don’t howl. Some of the compounds that plants generate in response to insect mastication — their feedback, you might say — are volatile chemicals that serve as cries for help. Such airborne alarm calls have been shown to attract both large predatory insects like dragon flies, which delight in caterpillar meat, and tiny parasitic insects, which can infect a caterpillar and destroy it from within.
Enemies of the plant’s enemies are not the only ones to tune into the emergency broadcast. “Some of these cues, some of these volatiles that are released when a focal plant is damaged,” said Richard Karban of the University of California, Davis, “cause other plants of the same species, or even of another species, to likewise become more resistant to herbivores.”
It’s a small daily tragedy that we animals must kill to stay alive. Plants are the ethical autotrophs here, the ones that wrest their meals from the sun.A comment on the article accepts the facts but reasons thus:
Jainism, an Indian religion, advocates ahimsa or non-violence to all things but recognizes that violence is necessary to live. All we can do is to minimize our violence. Jains believe that the more senses a living thing has, the more pain it experiences and the more violence we cause when we kill it. So, to minimize violence, they say, to live, kill those things that have the fewest senses. ie. Kill the potato, but spare the pig.I find both of these views to be narrow minded and naive. It's not a tragedy that all things kill to live, including plants who are not just "ethical autotrophs" since they will kill indiscriminately to assist in their own survival and that of their progeny. And it is simply ignorant to claim that the number of senses that a living thing has is in some way related to pain or superior experience. As we gain more scientific knowledge we become aware of senses that plants possess that the ancient religious thinkers simply didn't notice, and are at least beginning to back off from crude "speciesism" a bit to recognize that all we had been doing was claiming that beings that were more like ourselves were more alive in some sense. It was arrogant, provincial nonsense.
IMV the ethical stance is to recognize the condition of life, that all living things exist due to the deaths of others. If you think this tragic then you have some maturing to do. It is also beautiful, even awe inspiring, a marvelously complex system for achieving local violations of entropy, a madly courageous stance against an implacably violent and indifferent universe.
The practical stance is to maximize life. Killing is part of that. Death is unavoidable. But there are things that you can do to increase the amount of living things at a given time. If it is life that you venerate then this may make sense to you. Increase life.
I'm reminded of some folks I met in Colorado about 10 years ago whose sole - and in their view, as good a reason as any - explanation for being vegan was their rule of never eating anything that had a face.
If you didn't have eyes, a nose, and a mouth, you were what's for dinner.
Posted by: Jeffrey at December 23, 2009 11:18 AMAhisma,
Interesting clarity and an example of science starting to explain what started out as religious thought experiments and mystery. Perhaps this realization track is an example of human pattern recognition over time (and technology)? Another example might be fact often mimicking past fiction with time? Original fiction may provide a direction of thought and possibilities and endeavor to eventually have a cumulative effect on what we call progress with time.
But your points and frame of reference provoke sympathy for the lowly microbial community on Earth that, megaton for megaton, far out weigh all other life forms combined, by a huge margin. Many microbes have "eyes" which are only rudimentary recognition of chemical gradients, signals and sometimes light, that in no way resemble us, except in response patterns for survival and daily life.
But as you point out, everything alive eats other living things to live in our food chain, which stretches all the way back to microbes. This may mean that the food chain reality of the organization niche above organic chemistry that we call life, the act of feeding on life, may be one of the most important dynamics in their (our) survival and what is spawned: further chemical organization on Earth.
There are many other organizational niches involved beyond life, but the living food chain is easy to relate to as a universal dynamic force. The food chain is a great thing, big and small. Otherwise these keys would not be moving and the organic process of thought harnessing technology and equally important: wondering, and even making up religions, would not be possible for what we call progress, science and realization.
There must be a circle in here somewhere, perhaps everywhere? Perhaps I'm chasing my tail in philosophical space, but it is interesting that connections seem to always arise, which can be expressed in terms of chemical reactions and a dynamic equilibrium reaching everywhere.
Eat so that you can can prosper, but eventually be eaten yourself, either by one higher on the chain than you (the grizzly attack on vacation), or by the organism we call society, or even better yet these days: the One World concept of organization.
Now where are those boundaries to think and experiment within?
Posted by: Vic at December 25, 2009 12:52 PMSo, it is so Vic.
I restrained myself from continuing the rant to the microbial level thinking that the point had been made and that I'd said it all before, but to make the thought whole requires considering microorganisms. I'm glad that you fleshed it out.
IMV there are no sharp boundaries. That's the trouble with systems dynamics on a large scale for natural systems. Still, we can arbitrarily and conveniently bound systems for thought experiments so long as well keep in mind that the model is not the systems, that the map is not the territory.
Posted by: back40 at December 25, 2009 03:51 PM