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September 24, 2009
Dutch Uncle

OK, so he's not Dutch, but close.

Mind Hacks has a great characterization of the transhumanist community:
Transhumanists are like the eccentric uncle of the cognitive science community. Not the sort of eccentric uncle who gets drunk at family parties and makes inappropriate comments about your kid sister (that would be drug reps), but the sort that your disapproving parents thinks is a bit peculiar but is full of fascinating stories and interesting ideas.
That is exactly the kind of uncle I try to be.
For example:
Over at Overcoming Bias Robin is making the argument that economic growth will eventually be limited: even by expanding at lightspeed the amount of amount of matter we can turn into something valuable will only grow as the cube of time, but any positive exponential economic growth rate will outrun this sooner or later. Others are not so convinced, arguing that the value is not strictly tied to matter but by patterns of matter, possibly making it possible to have an exponential growth of value even when matter doesn't accumulate fast enough.

This got me thinking of the thermodynamic problems of an expanding supercivilization, trying to turn cosmic matter into something carrying value.

Now this is the sort of limits to growth discussion that makes some sense. It's not just fusty old curmudgeons complaining about those damned kids making noise and having phun.
Posted by back40 at 08:32 AM | TechnoSocial

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Norm Augustine demolished this argument years ago when he was modeling the exponential rise in the cost of military aircraft. He feared his model would come up against physical limits unless there was some component which could weigh nothing, occupy little or no volume, and cost an arbitrarily large amount. And then, just in the nick of time, came along SOFTWARE...

Posted by: Mike Anderson at September 24, 2009 11:34 AM

Well, these are software guys, and they have addressed the subject from a limit-to-compute-cycles and state storage perspective. I'm not sure how well that they have thought through quantum issues, multiverse issues or good old fashioned time slicing and slow time to allow more entities to exist on limited available processing power.

But I'm just bloviating with a tired body and mind right now. Anders and Robin will give you a better discussion than I can. . . even if I was rested and sparky.

Posted by: back40 at September 24, 2009 12:09 PM
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