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One of the more nonsensical memes infecting public discourse is that America is diminished by the religious beliefs of a significant portion of the population.
Americans have long been ambivalent about science. Conflicting attitudes toward science are not uncommon among industrialized countries—Canadians, Europeans, and Japanese, for example, also appreciate the benefits of science but worry about potential impacts on society. What sets Americans apart is that their reservations center primarily around religion. And now, as the United States struggles to maintain its undisputed position as world leader in science and technology, religious ideology has spilled over into the public sphere to a degree unmatched in other industrialized societies. Religious groups are turning scientific matters like stem cells and evolution into political issues.Rubbish. All rubbish. The reservations of the other cited societies - Canadians, Europeans, and Japanese - also are religious. America is not different. The religions are different but in each case the reservations about science have a religious cast and are based on a type of magical thinking, belief without evidence. It seems that a significant majority of people everywhere and every when do this.
The United States does not struggle to "maintain its undisputed position as world leader in science and technology". Where does such a silly idea come from? The US clearly is the most prolific scientific society and has been so for a long time. This isn't something to wish for or be proud of, it's an indication of the debilitating effects of those other national religions, especially in Europe. It is in the interest of the US for those laggard societies mired in primitive fundamentalisms to stop shirking, stop free riding on the US, and make contributions to science commensurate with their wealth and education. The US would benefit from this as much and perhaps more than the Europeans.
The chief problem for the Europeans is that their "religious ideology has spilled over into the public sphere to a degree unmatched in other industrialized societies." Every facet of their intellectual life is so politicized and ritualized according to their religious demands that they are severely impeded.
The US is far less limited by the religions of its people. Part of this may be due to the wide variety of religions in the US, which has always been diverse and becomes ever more diverse as time passes. Part of it is due to the structure of government - multiple levels, each with competing branches and a history of distaste for established religion. No single religion ever got a grip on the US the way it did most other societies, and the idea of uniformity and conformity is in a sense un-Amaerican.
The author, Liza Gross, bases her nonsense accusation on only two issues - stem cells and evolution - and on only a single facet of each issue. Neither stem cell science nor evolutionary theory are in any danger in the US, but Gross has a political axe to grind and so makes outrageously inflated assertions as red meat for the faithful. Very religious of her.
I find her religion, and that of the Europeans, as alien and unconvincing as that of many American religions. I find her politicization of these issues repellent and anti-intellectual. It would be better for scientific progress if none of these religious beliefs existed. It is likely that economic progress and world development would improve as a consequence, and there are other benefits that would, I think, be likely. I also know that this isn't all there is to life and that many, many other people have a bewildering variety of what they find to be higher values. Religion and its limiting effects on society will persist.
For the US to continue to thrive it is necessary to refute the religious and political claims of activists like Gross. Her attack on some American religions and some American political views, though tarted up as scientific concern, is akin to the claims of creation science or some of the more extreme political views of her opponents. She's just the other extreme and nothing she says has any bearing on science.
Update:
Across the EU different countries have widely differing laws and attitudes towards stem cell research.The idiocy of Gross' claims are underscored by the debate among EU ministers.The stem cells are removed from human embryos left over from fertility treatment, but the process results in the destruction of the embryo.
"We must conserve human life from its conception. We want no financial incentives to kill embryos," German Research Minister Annette Schavan told fellow ministers. . .
Finland, holder of the EU's rotating presidency, suspended debate until after lunch in an attempt to find a compromise that would satisfy Germany and seven like-minded countries - Austria, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Poland and Slovakia.
Together they could block adoption of the EU's 54bn euro (£37bn) research budget for 2007-13, of which stem cell research forms a very small part. . .
Some of the countries which oppose stem cell research are influenced by Roman Catholic teaching.
In Germany, memories are coloured by Nazi experiments during World War II.
The BBC's Alix Kroeger in Brussels says they also object to funding research that is not allowed in their own countries.
Note that the debate and the bans only affect funding, not research. In my view this is the real issue. National funding of research is problematical for any number of reasons but that it is hostage to political whim is surely a major defect. Those who cry the loudest about limits to national funding for such research tend to also be authoritarians intent on ever increasing control of society by national and even international institutions. That funding is available from private sources and local governments (in the EU case "local" means individual nations, and in the US it means individual states) isn't satisfactory for authoritarians since there is too much freedom of choice. They want uniformity and conformity.
We would be wiser to support multiple, independent funding streams. They are much less susceptible to interruption due to temporary political whims, and when interrupted are not so devastating to science since there are alternatives. Diversity in funding is simple good sense, more robust and resilient.
Update:
President Bush’s veto of legislation to expand federally financed embryonic stem cell research has had the unintended consequence of drawing state money into the contentious field and has highlighted the issue in election campaigns across the country. . .I doubt that this was unintended since it could not possibly have been unanticipated. It was a certain and obvious consequence of federal funds denial, widely discussed and understood.Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, a Republican who helped Mr. Bush win a second term but has long disagreed with him on this research, cited the veto as he lent $150 million from the state’s general fund to pay for grants to stem cell scientists. In Illinois, Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich, a Democrat opposed to most every White House initiative, offered $5 million for similar grants in his state.
Before the announcements, the only money available was $72 million that five states had allocated for the research and $90 million that the National Institutes of Health had provided since 2001 for work on a restricted number of stem cell lines. . .
Sean Tipton, president of the Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research, the lead lobbyist for the bill Mr. Bush vetoed, said, “In terms of actually getting some resources to the scientists, it turns out like it may be a good week.”
The same is true for the political opportunism and scrambling to get right with constituents. Who is actually surprised by this? However scientists politicians argue.
While stem cell scientists applauded the states’ efforts, they cautioned that such an approach was not ideal.Can't have those pesky states making decisions, taxing and spending. All money and power belongs to the feds. Jerk!“In the long term, I don’t think it’s a good idea to have individual states trying to mount efforts which are going to be more piecemeal, less effective and take more time than a federal effort,” said Douglas A. Melton, co-director of the Stem Cell Institute at Harvard University. “I don’t think states should mount their own militias either.”
Update:
In the NSF Strategic Plan, the life sciences (i.e., biology) are not included as an area that needs improvement in infrastructure or translation of research into new products. Is it too cynical to think that the Bush Administration purposely left out biology? After all, this is the same administration that has repeatedly altered or removed sections of scientific reports that offend various political constituencies. (Maybe I should let them know I wasn't serious about the whole Imperial Stormtrooper thing...)Reasoning from evidence? Clear and useful thinking? No, just politics and religion.
. . . this is partly because the Clinton administration embarked on a committment to double the funding for life sciences research (through NIH and NSF), which saw a dramatic increase in those areas, while physical science funding was relatively flat. The "American Competitiveness Initiative" is focussed on physical science precisely because those areas have lagged somewhat in the last ten years.Of course there are political motives, just as there was for the Clintons and for every political group that has ever gotten its people elected to anything. Dark? The darkness is in your eyes.There may be darker political motives at work as well, but according to the NSF official who spoke at DAMOP, that's the reason for the physical science focus.
What we can sensibly do is debate policy. Was the Clinton focus good policy? Does the Bush focus on physical sciences undo a wrong or make another mistake? Why can't we fund both at levels that satisfy? (I know, there is no satisfying anyone, and egalitarian whining in funding decisions is dumb, but can a sensible argument for increased total funding be made?)
Update:
Human beings are religious animals. It is psychologically very hard to go through life without the justification, and the hope, provided by religion. You can see this in the positivist scientists of the 19th century. They insisted that they were describing the universe in rigorously materialistic terms - yet at night they attended seances and tried to summon up the spirits of the dead. Even today, I frequently meet scientists who, outside their own narrow discipline, are superstitious - to such an extent that it sometimes seems to me that to be a rigorous unbeliever today, you have to be a philosopher. Or perhaps a priest.[via IFTF's Future Now]
I don't follow your argument in this post, BF, though I agree that science is not seriously threatened in the US.
What religions in Europe are you writing about?
It seems to me that in most European countries religion is declining. Though I am not a believer, I do someone wonder about the effects this might have on those societies. Some good, others bad, I suspect.
Hi Ken,
Some have called it secular humanism, others highlight social democracy as a sort of all encompassing state religion, others point to a sort of nature worshiping crypto-paganism. It seems to me that they are all facets of euro-religion but none quite capture its entirety. Like Shintoism, Hinduism and Buddhism it isn't a simple monotheism like that of the various people of the book - there are 800,000 gods or none depending on some fairly nuanced explanations which I can't truly claim to grasp.
It is the belief in things without evidence, ritualized observances, symbols and behaviors that make it religion. That behavior is one that some researchers have claimed is a human predisposition and so is common in every population. It is the lack of separation of religion and politics that makes it a burden. When the populace fears some technology that seems to conflict with their religion - such as genetic engineering or measles vaccines - governments comply. There is no scientific support for these views - they contradict science - but are believed all the same.
Worse, there is a steady degradation of education and research institutions. Outside a few elite centers education is given little support and is designed to produce a compliant horde of bureaucrats rather than a creative or thoughtful society.
The US has this too, but not as much or as often. That's the point of this post. Every society has these effects not only the US, and a careful look shows that the US suffers less rather than more than many others.
That I am not sympathetic with any of these views doesn't prevent me from recognizing that they exist and are powerful for those who do believe. The best defense against them seems to be diversity and separation of powers. If no one group becomes dominant and if the structure of government blunts the thrust of their beliefs then the damage is reduced.
Those such as Gross are not making competent arguments, they are doing politics and religion of a different sort than that of the current US administration. They would be silent if their own religion and politics was represented though the debilitating effects, as in Europe, are as bad or worse. That's one of the current disputes about the defects in US educational institutions.
Such posturing is SOP. The part I object to is trying to use the authority of science to promote those religious and political views, and doing so in exceedingly misleading ways that damn the US while excusing the excesses of other societies. This can be seen as related to earlier posts about oikophobia.
An insightful article would mention all of these impediments and offer insights as to how societies might avoid some of the problems that result. I see no possibility for any society without such unreasoning beliefs, and look to the structure of government to blunt the effects.
Is that clearer? Is it that you don't understand or don't agree? I expect some will dispute that the euro religion is a proper religion, or that the version of it that infects many Americans should be lumped together with other religions. From my outsider's perspective they look much the same to me.
Posted by: back40 at July 23, 2006 05:02 PM"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion." Steven Weinberg
Posted by: beepbeepitsme at July 23, 2006 05:13 PMOK, now I understand.
But I don't agree that it is useful to lump a set of "European" beliefs and behaviors together and call them a religion.
I find it difficult to see that there are beliefs and behaviors that are shared throughout Europe. The French consider that the Brits are "Anglo-Saxon" - which is code for American in their rejection of the French social model and their faith in the market. Pretty well everyone considers the southern Europeans to be endemically corrupt and so on.
This is why the EU will never be much more than a free tyrade area with some commonality of laws.
The anti-science examples you give - genetic engineering and vaccination - are not Europe wide issue. The vaccination one was a peculiar British panic, fired by the very British tabloids. The government did not cave but sat it out until the foolishness collapsed. People are now returning to getting kids vaccinated.
The GMO issue is also interesting. There is an underlying anti-science attitude among the green-tinted. But the government actions are better understood as an anti-US trade policy. The technology is American and it is believed that by slowing its adoption the US advantage can be handicapped.
If there was not this political angle the European governments which are, after all, less democratic than the US, would happily ignore the greens.
Similarly, of course, the Kyoto Accord is best looked at as an attempt by Europe to handicap the US and Japan.
By the way, one point never acknowledged by those who worry about the power of religion in the US is that the Dover Area School Board was removed by its voters before the court decision on Intelligent design.
So, I am with you in believing that the US is not seriously under threat from religion but not in your analogy with Europe's beliefs.
The specific examples of differences you cite sound to me like the various sects of Baptists differing in the precise amount of immersion or sprinkling required. Their differences are important to them but trivial to me, near enough as to make no difference. YMMV.
That there is so much unreasoning faith, that it is denied, and that the faithful seek to use government to impose their beliefs on the rest of society is why I worry. Europeans have a long history of established religion and still don't seem to grasp the defects in this arrangement. That the religion is now some variant of socialism with pagan overtones is no comfort. It still leads to totalitarianism, conflict and collapse - something Europe seems to do on a semi-regular basis - like periodic earthquakes on a fault line. For example, the after shocks of Soviet collapse aren't over - and that's just one of the fault lines that could break loose at any time.
Your point that venal governments use the religious squick of society to pursue economic and/or political objectives is well taken, but doesn't refute my points or concerns. The same is true everywhere, even in openly theocratic societies.
My purpose here isn't merely to bust Europeans for closet religion and open hypocrisy, it's to out those who condemn the US for behaviors even more common and destructive elsewhere, and who do so for instrumental reasons. It's part of the abusive politicization of science that has been the subject of earlier posts.
Posted by: back40 at July 23, 2006 08:54 PMI still don't agree that it is useful to treat Europe as an entity with the same or a similar set of quasi-religious beliefs. The example you give of the EU having difficulties agreeing on a stem-cell policy bears this out.
But I do agree that the power of religion in the US is exaggerated by European critics and others.
I spent most of May in the US - the longest time I have spent there in quite a few years. Two things struck me:
1. The US system - call it checks and balances - does almost always get it right. Recent examples are the Dover School case (democracy and the court) and the Military Commissions for those held in Guantanamo Bay (the court). No other country has some an effective system of countervailing forces. Certainly not Australia.
2. The US will grow economically significantly faster than most of Europe for the foreseeable (dumb word, I know) future. France, as an example, will argue that they have chosen their social model and are happy to trade growth for the benefits from that model. But I don't think they will still think that in 10 years time. The US will grow fast (with some bumps on the way) for at least two reasons: the flexibilty of its economy and the large supply of migrants, legal and illegal.
My guess is that the difference in economic growth rates will become so great that Europe (esp France and Germany) will decide that they did not. after all, agree to pay such a high price for their social models.
They will then reform (unlikely) or make further attempts to handicap the US (likely).
It will all be interesting to watch.
I haven't expressed it well. It's still a bit muddled. Some of the threads not yet knit together well include the ideas from previous posts that discussed the differences between the various Enlightenments - especially the absolutist version of the European continent, and its fallibilist opposite in the Scottish and American versions. An aspect of that is that religion didn't go away on the continent so much as reinvent itself as ideology.
I'll keep trying. I'm not good these days. I have little free time to blog or even think about these subjects, and it's hellish hot - above 105 for days end, 110 today! My brain isn't functioning very well.
Posted by: back40 at July 24, 2006 04:52 PM